Ladies and Gentlemen,
There is a remedy to this issue. At least here in Virginia.
These elected officials (and many citizens) would cringe at the idea that all handgun owners began carrying our weapons exposed.
When gun-owners "come out of the closet" these fair weather constitutionalists will be unable to deal with the idea of thousands of Virginians wandering the streets as though they are going to engage in a gun battle at any moment. The hue and cry from the "threatened citizenry" will require them to take this issue up for action.
Now, potentially that would mean that they would outlaw our carry entirely but let's get a dose of reality here. We all know that this is where this issue is headed anyway. It is time to start forcing their hand on this matter. We must make them act to take away our guns now and get this fight on rather than allowing them to take them away in a gradual and somewhat benign process. Allowing them to do that is the example we have all heard of "how do you boil a frog?".
Semper Fidelis.
Craig Hudgins
There is a remedy to this issue. At least here in Virginia.
These elected officials (and many citizens) would cringe at the idea that all handgun owners began carrying our weapons exposed.
When gun-owners "come out of the closet" these fair weather constitutionalists will be unable to deal with the idea of thousands of Virginians wandering the streets as though they are going to engage in a gun battle at any moment. The hue and cry from the "threatened citizenry" will require them to take this issue up for action.
Now, potentially that would mean that they would outlaw our carry entirely but let's get a dose of reality here. We all know that this is where this issue is headed anyway. It is time to start forcing their hand on this matter. We must make them act to take away our guns now and get this fight on rather than allowing them to take them away in a gradual and somewhat benign process. Allowing them to do that is the example we have all heard of "how do you boil a frog?".
Semper Fidelis.
Craig Hudgins
> Subject: Re: H.R. 822 moves to Senate
> From: philip@virginiasystems.com
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 00:24:09 -0500
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> To: mprunty@afpcsf.com
>
> I'm going to analyze the passed bill and will put out a VA-ALERT on it soon
>
> On Nov 16, 2011, at 11:57 PM, Mike Prunty wrote:
>
> > Phil … looks like our guys just blew it again …unfortunately! Are they STILL not reading the bills they are voting on … or just doing what they are told by leadership like a bunch of mindless _ _ _ _ _ _? I think the inmates are finally running the asylum!
> >
> > Mike Prunty
> >
> > From: Sue Long [mailto:suelong1@hughes.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 9:14 PM
> > To: Sue Long A
> > Subject: Fw: H.R. 822 moves to Senate
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dudley Brown
> > To: Sue Long
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 7:23 PM
> > Subject: H.R. 822 moves to Senate
> >
> > <~WRD000.jpg>
> >
> > Sue,
> >
> > I was right to be concerned.
> >
> > Not only was H.R. 822 -- the Trojan horse gun control bill -- passed out of the House of Representatives this evening, it was passed with an amendment that would open the door to federal biometric requirements for concealed firearms permits and a federally-administered database of all permit holders.
> >
> > Only 7 Republican Members of Congress stood against federal overreach in the concealed carry process by opposing this bill (you can see how your Representative voted here:http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll852.xml).
> >
> > The bill was amended this afternoon by ostensibly "pro-gun" Republicans to require a study be done on the ability of law enforcement officers to verify the validity of out-of-state concealed firearm permits.
> >
> > You and I both know what this means. A year from now, the study will come back stating that the only way to "verify" out-of-state permits is through federally-mandated biometric requirements for concealed firearm permits and Congress "must" create a nationally administered database of all concealed weapon permit holders.
> >
> > One of my biggest concerns about this bill -- the lists of gun owners a permit process creates -- should send shivers down your spine: Imagine Eric Holder and the BATFE with a national database of concealed carry permit holders.
> >
> > It's bad enough to have those lists exist at a state level. Once Eric Holder and his cronies find a way to request that list from a state, they'll do it -- all the in the name of "implementing H.R. 822."
> >
> > The legislation now moves to the Harry Reid-run Senate, where companion legislation is expected to be introduced in the coming days. I have no doubt that the anti-gunners in the Senate will use this as an opportunity to make H.R. 822 even worse.
> >
> > What troubles me most about this battle is the institutional gun lobby has been leading the charge for this legislation. In fact, they've been brow-beating Members of Congress who dare to question the consequences of passing such a broad, overreaching piece of legislation.
> >
> > Republican Congressman Justin Amash (MI-03) fought back against the institutional gun lobby for its support of H.R. 822:
> >
> > "It's remarkably bold of the National Rifle Association to send out false and misleading messages regarding H R 822, an unconstitutional bill that improperly applies the Commerce Clause to concealed carry licensing. I would support legislation that gets the federal government out of the way of states that want to recognize other states' concealed carry permits. In contrast, H R 822 will hurt gun rights by conceding broad new authority to the federal government to override state sovereignty.
> >
> > Gun rights advocates have fought hard to prevent liberal abuse of the Commerce Clause that would restrict gun rights... I am disappointed that the NRA has decided to put its own interests ahead of the interests of gun owners. Fortunately, many other gun rights groups rightly oppose H R 822."
> >
> > Please call your Senator at (202) 224-3121 and tell them you want to keep the government's hands off your permit and that you oppose federal intrusion into the concealed weapons permit process.
> >
> > Thank you for taking action to keep the federal government out of the concealed firearms permit system.
> >
> > For Freedom,
> >
> > <~WRD000.jpg>
> > Dudley Brown
> > Executive Director
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The National Association for Gun Rights is a nonprofit, nonpartisan, single-purpose citizens' organization dedicated to preserving and protecting the Constitutionally protected right-to-keep-and-bear-arms through an aggressive program designed to mobilize public opposition to anti-gun legislation. The National Association for Gun Rights' mailing address is P.O. 7002, Fredericksburg, VA 22404. They can be contacted toll-free at 1-877-405-4570. Its web address is www.NationalGunRights.org/
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> From: philip@virginiasystems.com
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 00:24:09 -0500
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> To: mprunty@afpcsf.com
>
> I'm going to analyze the passed bill and will put out a VA-ALERT on it soon
>
> On Nov 16, 2011, at 11:57 PM, Mike Prunty wrote:
>
> > Phil … looks like our guys just blew it again …unfortunately! Are they STILL not reading the bills they are voting on … or just doing what they are told by leadership like a bunch of mindless _ _ _ _ _ _? I think the inmates are finally running the asylum!
> >
> > Mike Prunty
> >
> > From: Sue Long [mailto:suelong1@hughes.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 9:14 PM
> > To: Sue Long A
> > Subject: Fw: H.R. 822 moves to Senate
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dudley Brown
> > To: Sue Long
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 7:23 PM
> > Subject: H.R. 822 moves to Senate
> >
> > <~WRD000.jpg>
> >
> > Sue,
> >
> > I was right to be concerned.
> >
> > Not only was H.R. 822 -- the Trojan horse gun control bill -- passed out of the House of Representatives this evening, it was passed with an amendment that would open the door to federal biometric requirements for concealed firearms permits and a federally-administered database of all permit holders.
> >
> > Only 7 Republican Members of Congress stood against federal overreach in the concealed carry process by opposing this bill (you can see how your Representative voted here:http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll852.xml).
> >
> > The bill was amended this afternoon by ostensibly "pro-gun" Republicans to require a study be done on the ability of law enforcement officers to verify the validity of out-of-state concealed firearm permits.
> >
> > You and I both know what this means. A year from now, the study will come back stating that the only way to "verify" out-of-state permits is through federally-mandated biometric requirements for concealed firearm permits and Congress "must" create a nationally administered database of all concealed weapon permit holders.
> >
> > One of my biggest concerns about this bill -- the lists of gun owners a permit process creates -- should send shivers down your spine: Imagine Eric Holder and the BATFE with a national database of concealed carry permit holders.
> >
> > It's bad enough to have those lists exist at a state level. Once Eric Holder and his cronies find a way to request that list from a state, they'll do it -- all the in the name of "implementing H.R. 822."
> >
> > The legislation now moves to the Harry Reid-run Senate, where companion legislation is expected to be introduced in the coming days. I have no doubt that the anti-gunners in the Senate will use this as an opportunity to make H.R. 822 even worse.
> >
> > What troubles me most about this battle is the institutional gun lobby has been leading the charge for this legislation. In fact, they've been brow-beating Members of Congress who dare to question the consequences of passing such a broad, overreaching piece of legislation.
> >
> > Republican Congressman Justin Amash (MI-03) fought back against the institutional gun lobby for its support of H.R. 822:
> >
> > "It's remarkably bold of the National Rifle Association to send out false and misleading messages regarding H R 822, an unconstitutional bill that improperly applies the Commerce Clause to concealed carry licensing. I would support legislation that gets the federal government out of the way of states that want to recognize other states' concealed carry permits. In contrast, H R 822 will hurt gun rights by conceding broad new authority to the federal government to override state sovereignty.
> >
> > Gun rights advocates have fought hard to prevent liberal abuse of the Commerce Clause that would restrict gun rights... I am disappointed that the NRA has decided to put its own interests ahead of the interests of gun owners. Fortunately, many other gun rights groups rightly oppose H R 822."
> >
> > Please call your Senator at (202) 224-3121 and tell them you want to keep the government's hands off your permit and that you oppose federal intrusion into the concealed weapons permit process.
> >
> > Thank you for taking action to keep the federal government out of the concealed firearms permit system.
> >
> > For Freedom,
> >
> > <~WRD000.jpg>
> > Dudley Brown
> > Executive Director
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The National Association for Gun Rights is a nonprofit, nonpartisan, single-purpose citizens' organization dedicated to preserving and protecting the Constitutionally protected right-to-keep-and-bear-arms through an aggressive program designed to mobilize public opposition to anti-gun legislation. The National Association for Gun Rights' mailing address is P.O. 7002, Fredericksburg, VA 22404. They can be contacted toll-free at 1-877-405-4570. Its web address is www.NationalGunRights.org/
> >
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